i found a set of integra type r cams online for around $250 (used) and they come with the exhaust dual valve spring. i know that when you get type r cams your supposed to upgrade the valvetrain as well but could i just put the extra set of dual springs on the intake side and be safe or will i have to buy new shit? i asseuming thats why they come with the extra springs but i want to make srue before i spend the money/fuck up my car.

You can get the same set on ebay for $125.

And if you're going to do exhaust valve springs, mine as we'll change out the intake valve springs to duals as well.

Best of luck!

---richard

i hope your getting civic type r cams and not integra........just go all out and buy the skunk 2 cams pussy...........

^^^ no

overcamming an engine can cause a loss in power. buy cams suited for the displacement, static CR and flow of the head. for a near stock engine, 98spec+ ITR cams are pretty much the best.

i think the 98+ are the same as the CTR cams, and Eric's right. Dont get Skunk2 Stg1 cams because ITR will get you like 5whp less then what those will, and those cost a lot more. Stg2 you'll want to do more internal work. $250 seems a lot tho, My buddy jake was gonna sell me his ITR cams for $200 and that was like 2-3 years ago...

Im going to have to disagree with both of you strongly on the note of producing less power. That motor that Andy has now used to have Skunk 2 Stage 2 cams in it with the Skunk valve springs, and it was much faster. Before the cams were installed, my car and the Integra were dead nuts even. I would start pulling on him in third, but just inches. After the cams, he would pull away from me in any gear. He would pull about 1/2 car length for my every gear select. So by the end of 4th gear, he would be about 2 car lengths out on me. So the car for having nothing done to the bottom end (B16A2) and revving out to 9k, with a chipped computer, and the cams and valve springs, it made significantly more power, and would also make ALOT more power up top. The motor really wanted t rev to 10k, and it would still pull very hard.

lol ok

i disagree wiht all of you!!! lol nah im just kidding.

btu basically with the research that i have done on cams which was too much i have come ti find out that the ctr cams and the 98+ itr cams are the same. with a stage one cams from skunk2 im pretty sure you dont have to put in new valve springs and the same witht he itr's. is it better to do them.. well yes.

yeah i have the skunk2 pro series stage 1 cams in my car... which is basiaclly in between the stage 2 and stage 3 cams. they pull very hard to redline...(9k) but they would be much happy with a higher compression. (11.5:1 +) but i still drive mine daily with no problems... but i did put on the hi comp headgasket.

i think you're taking my post out of context. i'm not sure what any of the mentioned engine configurations are

i am generally stating that overcamming is bad. if whatever skunk2 is appropriate for the engine, go for it. for a stock GSR the cost of aftermarket cams really isn't worth a couple peak HP at the loss of 10+ in midrange. if it was an 11:1+ static CR JDM ITR, then hell yeah... put something bigger in.

both above statements are true. 98+ itr and ctr comes are same. You dont really need to upgrade the springs like he said. The only reason i never got around to upgrading the cams is because i didn't want to spend the money on building up the block, because if i was gonna get aftermarket cams, i wanted something nice.

Oh yeah. I wasnt trying to say you were wrong with the general idea, but with this particular motor, the Skunk cams were not 'overcamming' the B16.

And yes, Andy's DB8 does have a B16A2 in it. The B18C1 was hydrolocked.

ahhhhhhhhhhh gotcha.

Your avatar makes me thirsty.

from what Andy has told me; you guys do alot of autoX, etc. So, do you really want some fat cams (s2's, etc) that will have a better top end, but probably lose power in low/mid range, or get some nice all-around cams (itr)? You gotta think about what kind of power band you want...

+1 for itr's...

yea i want to run at gingerman and do alot of autox thats why i was thinking type r cams.....also i have a limited budget so type r cams are perfect for me i think. i just didnt know if you need to upgrade the intake valve springs or not i thought i heard that you do but i wasnt sure so i guess thats all i was really asking about. i have already decided on the cam i want.

if you can manage to squeeze springs/retainers into your budget, i say go for it. iirc (eric can/will correct me if i'm wrong) but the stock b16a/b18c1 valve trains are kinda prone to valve float (iirc; the valve train on D's are better behaved when over-revving than B's are (7900rpm stock head z6 ftw ))

cam shaft???????? i thought there was little people in there pushing the valves up and down.

the hamsters can't do ALL of the work, lol

I really haven't heard of this issue in the b18c1

they are prone to float with increased rev limiter or larger cams. B-series VTEC cams are pretty agressive from the factory, and with limiters at 8k from the factory for most, there is no room for increase with stock parts. ITR springs/retainers are a MUST with ITR cams, no exceptions.

SOHC valvetrain is much smaller/lighter and they have much wimpier cams so you can rev 1-2k rpms higher all day with stock springs. even the crower stage3 (biggest SOHC VTEC cam avilable) is not as agressive as GSR cams

I would go with those cams that we say onine cuase im prolly doing the same and for the price cant really beat it.

Wow, this forum has tuned into Honda 101. Its interesting stuff. I think this is about the only thread I can walk away with some actual knowledge. haha.

Oh and about autocross, I know Andys car is gear'd differently and all that, but when I went out to Tirerack, I was usually mid-high 2nd gear. So the S2 cams, would work out pretty nice out on that particular course. They always try and change it up to give less powerful cars an advantage out there with some tight twisty areas. But I guess the ITR cams would be idea for autocross. For G-man, ALL S2's out there.

you're going to need a nice fat powerband for both autoX and g-man. g-man you'll see higher speeds so you'll want top end, too. top end really isn't necessary for autoX.

i had a stock b18b with GSR trans and KAAZ LSD in my autoX whore running SM. on street tires i consistently beat cars on race tires due to great GSR gearing + low end torque of the b18b. it was a great setup.

B18B are the non vtec LS motors correct?

yep

my b18b dyno'd 130whp/120wlbft. it made 100wlbft at 2000rpm held to a peak at 6000rpm of 120wlbft, and held over 100wlbft all the way to redline. very flat "curve". they make great torque. only i/h/e and MSD ignition for mods.

meh, not to bad. How much did that KAAZ cost you? A pretty penny I bet.

and Eric; what car did you have that b18b in? the faggy teal hatch? lol j/k

yes, the fag teal

KAAZ came in the GSR trans i bought for the b18b1. i picked it up lightly used for $1500. i got the b18b from a baker in GR for $850... yeah, expensive now, but remember this was 8 years ago. LS swaps use to sell for $2k+

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